posted by Sam Richards
This issue has meaning for me now that I visited one of the most conservative of Muslim countries where women in the “niqab” or “abeyya” or “hijab” were all around me. Certainly many of the more Western oriented women only worn the abeyya intermittently, and many refused to wear it at all, but many extremely progressive women wore it in the same way that many “progressive” women in the U.S. wear high heels, make-up, and nylon stockings. Like their American counterparts, few claim to be victims of a male-oriented, oppressive culture. Rather, they take it as a matter of course.
No doubt there are more than a few women throughout the Muslim world who feel oppressed by the mandate to cover up, but I’m thinking that the vast majority just go along for the ride–and a much smaller percentage totally embrace the experience as a path toward spiritual and psychological growth. (I have to believe, much like the two women in this video.) So my question is related to the French government and people who think they know best for Muslim women — “We are going to turn you into enlightened French citizens.” What should they wear to demonstrate this? Perhaps skin tight jeans and high heels? A tight fitting shirt with an under wire bra? Thong underwear? That’s enlightened…not to mention comfortable.
Seems to me that truly enlightened governance allows people to pursue the path toward self awareness and growth that best suits them — as long as they don’t harm others in the meantime.
continued… I agree with Sam’s statement that women in the U.S. are compelled to wear tight, form fitting clothing, high heels, and a face full of makeup. If anything, I think what westernized women are forced to wear in order to feel ‘comfortable’ in society is far worse than a head dress. If a government can pass a law against Muslim women wearing head dresses, then what about nuns? Nuns wear clothing very close to an abeyya. If this law passes it is just the beginning of a long list of discrimination laws to come. Where do you draw the line from what is okay to discriminate against and what is okay to express?
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Most people would consider the world of fashion or clothing to be one of the farthest things removed from the world of government and politics, so when the two come together it usually seems strange. Laws regarding the clothes people where seems to be an obvious violation of people’s basic right to express themselves. Of course there should be general laws to keep people from exposing themselves completely in public, but to try and make a law against covering up? The idea seems absurd.
Since reading this blog and watching the video, I’ve had a lot of different thoughts about this topic. My initial reaction was that it seemed completely unjust to tell these women that they couldn’t wear a garment, simply because it covers almost all of their body. Sometimes I wish there was a law that kept me from having to see crop tops, and booty-shorts (especially on people who have business wearing them). But then I began to think about what the government could be thinking when they proposed this law. Were they thinking of security purposes? Perhaps they believe that if this was to become a more wide-spread trend, it would lead to rises in crime rates as people realized that they couldn’t be indentified with their faces veiled. This actually seems like a logical train of thought; if wearing face masks in public became a trend, it would become much more difficult to identify suspicious persons in stores, would it not? So if you consider that, then sure, I can see part of where they’re coming from, but at the same time, this hardly seems like a trend that will spread to anyone outside this culture, so this justification seems foolish.
The government, however, has presented a different justification by suggesting that the wearing of full body veils is a sign of male domination over the women around them. Alright, this too seems like a justifiable concern; however, if this is the problem, then fining the women who wear burqas hardly seems like the solution. I know this comparison may seem extreme, but this would be like fining a woman who has been battered because she’s being oppressed by her husband. Fining women who wear burqas won’t stop them from wearing burqas if it truly is their husbands who are forcing them to wear them. This reasoning, while valiant, is severely flawed. Not to mention the fact that many of these women report that their husbands have nothing to do with their decision to wear burqas, rather it is their own personal beliefs, something the government won’t accept. I think this issue has little to do with any of the reasons the government wants to give, and everything to do with the fact that people aren’t comfortable with minorities making themselves known within a community, which is what these women are doing. Instead of accepting the differences between are cultures, we want to force these women into our practices, and are going to ridiculous lengths to do it.
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I find it hard to believe that the government feels the need to regulate the dress of religious women. In a world where people wear so many different styles of clothing, it is strange that this would be the first type of clothing to be banned. These women dress modestly and try to cover themselves up, as a religious practice. Maybe some people find it uncomfortable that they can't see their faces, but I think these women are the least of our worries. If the government starts to regulate how women dress where will it end? First it begins by banning women who cover up too much because it offends people. What about girls who wear revealing clothing. Will there soon be $1000 fines for women who wear tube tops? What about for women who wear un-matching clothes? Shoes that are too high? There will always be some article of clothing people find offensive
This ban on full body coverings not only isolates the women who wear them, it also puts them in a very uncomfortable position. They can now no longer appear in public because they can't wear their protective clothing. Since they claim some women do not want to wear them, and that they are being forced to wear them by a dominant male figure, it is most likely that same male figure will not let them appear in public at all now.
The government should be smart enough and know not to interfere with other people's religions. This issue is not a matter of fashion or to make a big statement, but rather the modestly that comes with their religion. The governments attack on their religious dress is not only offensive, but in ill taste. If this law is put into affect then that means no one's religious dress is safe. This is the first step towards religious oppression. If their religious dress is not free from persecutition, then what about the others? Will Jewish men no longer be able to wear yamaka's? Will priests no longer be able to wear their religious dress? The French need to reevaluate their intentions and the consequences that will come with this law. When you try and come between a person and their faith, the outcome is usually not good.
What makes the government think that the wearing of a burka is a form of male oppression? What makes the government think that these women don't want to wear the head coverings for themselves? So women don't care what men think, and find it liberating to not be seen. With their faces covered people can get to know them for what kind of person they are, and not just what they look like. They don't need to put on makeup, they don't need to do their hair, or even worry about picking out matching clothes. Appearing is no longer a burdon on them, which is almost opposite of what they are implying. The French government claims that the men r forcing the women to cover up out of modesty; but maybe its the other way around. Maybe the women are covering themselves up to avoid the sexually charged looks from men and go about their day without any male advances.
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February 4th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I agree, I do not think that the government has any right whatsoever to try to force these women wear what it sees fit. Like you said, who says that some Muslim women would feel more comfortable if they were not wearing the outfits dictated by their religion. While the French government may be trying to help because it thinks that forcing the women to wear clothes covering their skin is oppressive, they should at least give the women the freedom to wear whatever they please. I also like your point about if they decided to put restrictions on racy clothes like tube-tops. Is there really a difference? Simply put, the Muslim women deserve a completely free choice of whether or not they want to wear the clothes that are part of their culture.
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I know a little bit about Islamic religion, and know some of the traditions of Muslim people that go along with their religion. However, I am not really too familiar with the specific reasons as to why Muslim women wear the hijab, and if they have a choice in the matter. I have heard many misconceptions that Muslim men force these women to wear the hijab in public, sometimes revealing no skin except the part right around their eyes (just like the video shown). However, I researched this topic a little bit, and have some friends that do wear the hijab, but it is completely by choice. Muslim women feel that when they are completely covered, the people who look at them can’t judge them based on the appearance, but are forced to see the person underneath the hijab. A person can now only judge someone based on their personality, character and morals. It also provides these women with self-respect, as they are properly covered in public.
I feel that this is actually a problem that many Americans face. I think that public nudity and wearing revealing clothing has become so commonplace that nobody thinks anything of it. However, I think that this allows many men to behave in very inappropriate ways, and I think many women don’t think twice before putting on a short skirt and low top because everyone is doing it. Although this may be true, I also know many women who get angry when they go out to a club in a short skirt and complain of men putting their hands on them. Even though men should not necessarily be touching women like this in public, wearing revealing clothing does not exactly help the matter.
Getting back to the topic of hijab’s, I think that the reasoning for women to cover themselves from head to toe is pretty intuitive and remarkable. I feel that many people (both men and women) in America often feel that too much emphasis is placed on people’s looks. Everyone is guilty of this crime in one way or another. When the factor of appearance is available to us, it really is hard to look away and not judge. However, if a hijab is worn, it really takes away that factor and people can only judge others based on their inner qualities (which is what really matters).
As far as the French government planning to ban burqas all together, I see valid points on both sides. I understand that for these women, this is the only culture they have ever known. I could imagine having myself covered for most of my life, and then suddenly having to wear regular clothes in public. It would be really uncomfortable. However, I also understand the point of the French government where burqas are not really socially acceptable. On the outside, people are identified by their faces. If a Muslim woman robs a bank wearing a burqa, then what will the government do? They have no means of identifying her. I think that women in France should still be able to wear burqas. However, when going into certain places where a means of identification is necessary, such as a bank, women should be required to reveal their faces.
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The only thing that will come from France imposing this law will be revealing how ignorant they are about other religions. The french population does not understand the Muslim religion so when they see women in abeyyas, they get uncomfortable. Even though they only make up 2,000 of the population, the French government feels that the number of people wearing abeyyas is growing too quickly and needs to be banned. "French lawmakers believe the burqa is a growing phenomenon beneath which lies a not-so-subtle message of fundamentalism." Its surprising that France is so intimidated by the Muslim culture's growth within the country. The women that wear burqas are being extremely compliant by showing their faces when visual verification is required, not producing any harm towards anyone. There is no probable cause for the France government to take such actions other than to make their citizens more comfortable. The French public needs to be more open to the values of other cultures. Even if it is a partial ban it is still shocking that its the majority of the population that is against them being worn. I always figured France as a more culturally open country, and was surprised to hear of their censorship of Muslims.
It would be interesting to see the French public's opinion on the ruling. This law marks a monumental moment in civil rights law for all modernized and "western countries." I feel that a law of this magnitude must have received plenty of attention prior to its creation, and am amazed that it did not receive more attention from the public and other nations worldwide prior to French lawmakers signing it into law. The lawmakers must have felt that that French citizens strongly supported such actions because everyone who voted in favor of the bill will have their names attached to a discriminant law for the rest of their lifetimes. With that said, it would be even more fascinating to understand the opinions of Americans.
I do think that a significant faction of Americans would support a similar law in the United States. Although most would probably denounce the law publicly, I'm sure that many support it privately. Many people denounce those that speak Spanish throughout the United States and say if in America, speak English. Some would cite the saying, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." Americans feel like foreigners should embrace American culture and not bring "odd" cultures with them. I understand this because some Americans feel threatened by those wearing abeyyas. Abbeyas are a Muslim tradition and for many people, they represent the violence and terrorism commonly associated with other Muslim groups such as Al Queda and the Hamas. For this reason, Americans seem to fear and dislike women wearing abbayas.
If it were not for this connection, a law concerning abbayas probably would have never been considered and women wearing them may have never received extra attention. Unfortunately, due to a small majority of Muslims, people's opinions have been changed and they are now seen as a symbol of the terror of Muslim men. Hopefully, people begin to accept the fact that this is simply a cultural tradition and accept that these women are the same as any Christian woman.
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The religious and personal choice of wearing burkas should not be a court or government decision, let alone the French government’s domain of expertise. The issue of wearing veils or headdresses is based solely upon these female individuals and because these females are not “forced” to wear these garments, in which their husband’s mandate and demand, they like any other individuals should have the freedom to do what they like to their body.
I feel this topic would not have emerged if this was taking place in another part of the country such as their native Muslim country, but due to the fact that this issue is taking place on European grounds, the concept of social norms and standards becomes highlighted. After all, it’s about the group and the country’s identity and these Muslim females are clearly not setting an example that may glorify the country of France. They have crossed the boundary of physical appearance and challenge what is considered the Western mentality of physical appeal. For these individuals, it’s not about self- presentation; it’s about their religious and spiritual commitment. It is here that non-Muslims should come to understand and respect their faith and their decision to dress the way they do. The French government has no obligation to interfere with their religious process and decide what is considered the social standard and the criteria of what’s physically acceptable.
This issue could potentially lead to the infamous religious persecution that resulted in fleeing and settling of Europeans to the Americas during the 15th Century due to faith. Although the situation may not be a direct or dire comparison to that of centuries ago, it suggests the underlining cause of the problem to French’s objection to burkas—the Muslim faith, itself.
Perhaps, these females roaming about the pretty French streets every day may send out a cry of fear to tourists and local citizens that is shaped by current happenings in the Middle East. The idea of someone dressed in fully black attire would not be as welcoming and warming as if seeing someone in pair of jeans and white T-shirt. It is here that challenges or protests will come about arguing from every angle of the headdresses from the severity of the attire to embellishments that these women are physically and mentally abused by their spouses if they did not wear them. The slippery slope in one way or another will paint a true representation of the phenomenon that is already occurring in France. As for the Imam stating that the Quran does not require Muslim females to wear the garment is subjected to many interpretations. Again, it is not a choice that should be dictated by any government, any individual, or any religion, it should be a personal choice.
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I think it's ridiculous that the French government is trying to ban burqas. I agree with the imam that there is nothing in the Koran that says that a wwoman has to cover her face completely, but if certain women choose to wear it, their decisions should be respected. I don't think this issue is about women's right, but instead it's about the hostility that the French feel toward Mulsims and the concern that they have over the increasing number of practicing Muslims and this is a threat to their "French values."
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I found this article in the New York Times that said that in 2007, President Sarkozy said " France will not abandon the woman who are condemned to the burqa." The irony about this statement is that as it is mentioned in this video, that many women are not forced to but rather choose to wear it and the fact that the French government wants to ban it, is an invasion of personal freedom. My two main concerns about this ban is first of all, who makes the judgements of what exactly fits within French values? and secondly where do you draw the line? what about habits, and saaris and turbans? do these clothing items fit French values? I also think that this ban would contradict their supposed goal of "empowering women" because it would drive the burqa wearing women out of the public space and it would only create a bigger gap between the ethnic and religious differences in France.
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I believe that the French government wants to create laws banning burqas to maintain their French culture and to eliminate any threats of change to their culture in the near future. Does France have the right to be protective over their exclusive culture? I believe they do, but when they infringe on the rights and culture of citizens who do not match up to their cultural expectations, then I believe there is a problem. I understand the French government’s argument that burqas should be banned for identification purposes, but Muslim women living in France have verified that they will remove their burqas for identification reasons. With this problem solved, what is the actual problem with expressing yourself through what you wear? Just as some cultural practices may seem strange and unfamiliar, I’m sure that our cultural practices are just as foreign.
The French government’s argument to turn Muslim women into enlightened French citizens is completely ridiculous. What does the word ‘enlightened’ mean? If the French government thinks that enlightening someone involves forcing ones cultural practices on another, then the root of the problem is the ethnocentric view in the government. France actually needs immigrants to help their country repopulate if they even want a chance of maintaining their culture. With the discriminatory attitude that France is portraying to outside cultures, the chances of the country repopulating and sustaining their culture looks a little shaky. Just because someone is a citizen of a country doesn’t mean they need to completely give up their practices and traditions. People just assume that Muslim women are forced by their husbands or the men in their life to fully cover themselves in clothing. This documentary did the right thing by expressing how the women who wear these full burqas actually feel. The two women interviewed felt as though they wanted to wear the veils for reasons of piety and religious reasons. Who are we to deny people of what they want to believe and how they want to dress?
Even though the United States has been making strives to give women equal rights as men, a lot of countries still emphasize the inequality roles and differences in gender. The Muslim religion still emphasizes male dominance in their community over women. To Western European and the United States culture, this might seem to be a radical point of view. In reality, our western society’s mentality is not too far from the Muslim mentality (even though we may not express this reality so openly). The world is still a male dominated monarchy and women’s controversial issues are not always taken as seriously as males. I believe that these Muslim women who are fighting for their rights to wear what they please will need help addressing their rights with other people who view this no burqa policy as an injustice. In order for the French government to see their ethnocentric bias, people from all religions and nationalities will need to stand together to fight for these women’s rights.
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Personally, I do not see what the big deal is. Why can't people wear what they want to wear when they want to wear it? Why does it matter to you if a stranger walking down the street is wearing one article of clothing versus a different article of clothing. Their choices do not effect our lives so why do we care so much? They are following what they believe in. It's like saying you are going to fine a person walking down the street one thousand dollars because they are wearing a KISS (the band) t-shirt and you do not like them and do not care for their music or ideas. I understand that with the burqas specifically there may be some danger in not knowing who is underneath it. But like the two women in the video clearly stated, they are willing to remove their burqas for identification purposes and they have no problem doing so. They are wearing what they want to. They are comfortable in it. How much do you hate interviews for internships and jobs? I can tell you that I hate them for sure. I am so uncomfortable in button down shirts tucked into high waist-ed dress pants and heels. I would hate to HAVE to wear that all day every day. I love being able to wear jeans and a shirt or even wearing a sweat shirt and sweat pants. I like having options. And I am sure that these women do as well. I am sure they would like to have the option to wear burqas or to not wear burqas. This is not elementary, middle or high school anymore. I do not think that the government should have the right to assign these women "uniforms" in a sense. They should not be able to tell them what to wear. Also, don't these women have the right to freedom of religion? And didn't we decide to separate religion and government? I also think that being fined one thousand dollars for wearing a burqas is just ridiculous. Insanely ridiculous! So next week are they going to say that individuals are going to be fined one thousand dollars for wearing knee-length winter coats because they cover your arms, most of your legs and if you put the hood up they can cover most of your face. Is wearing long pants, socks, long sleeves, gloves and a hoodie sweat shirt soon going to be illegal too? I just do not see a good reason for these women being fined. If they are being fined for wearing religious objects will wearing a cross necklace be outlawed as well? Not being able to receive any public service is just outlandish. What about wearing sunglasses? They can cover most of your face. Or hats. They can also cover a majority of your face. Or what about wearing both. Where will this stop? I say we just let people wear whatever they want and we respect everyone's differences.
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Since when is the government allowed to dictate what is right and what is wrong to wear? As long as the clothing doesn’t fall under indecent exposure then someone can choose to wear whatever they want. France should respect people’s culture and let them live their lives. Women wearing a burqa are simply showing pride in their religion. It is the same as a Jewish man wearing a yamaka or a Catholic man wearing a cross. People are entitled to embrace their religion. The fact that we’re arguing over it puts our society back a step. A debate like this one is something that was seen a long time ago. We’ve learned to be tolerable and respect other people’s religion. Tolerance is something that must be practiced, not preached.
These women are not hurting anyone. It’s the same as me wearing a robe and covering my face. They can dress however they want to. The French government needs to realize that the common practiced religion in their country isn’t the only one in the world. The world is full of different types of people and who is to say what is right to wear. Who put them in charge to tell the world how to dress? God gave everyone their own body and their own mind to make their own choices. Telling someone how to dress is a slight form of slavery. You’re enslaving them to follow your practices.
These women are probably dressed more appropriately than most women in the world do. Today sex is seen everywhere. Women dress extremely provocatively and leave nothing to the imagination. Sure, men love to see some skin, but within reason. Also, a lot of women that show too much skin shouldn’t be. No one wants to see an obese woman’s impressive rolls. It’s absolutely disgusting to see that.
I mean I understand where the French government is coming from, but they have no authority in this situation. Sure these Muslim women are not fitting in with the French norm, but that’s their decision. There are much scarier people in the United States, but people don’t make a debate about it. They know that’s the way it is and deal with it. The only way that women wearing barqas could pose a threat is if they have issues with the law. They could be wanted and have a warrant out for their arrest, and wearing a barqa would conceal their identity. If there is a high crime rate associated with Muslim women in France then there would be a reason to debate. However, I doubt that they’re the French government’s main concern. There are a lot of other problems in their country that they need to worry about.
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I feel this is an extremely controversial subject among various people. Should France ban burqas? I personally feel that this is just an unnecessary topic being that everyone should have the freedom to dress as they wish as long as they are not showing any inappropriate skin that may offend people. In the United States so many people are critisized for not covering enough of their bodies, but in France these women are being critisized for covering up too much? All it is is just asinine arguments that stem from people wanting to cause controversy and debate. The law shouldn't be able to deny people from dressing the way they want to, especially if honoring a traditional religious practice. I think it is absolutely absurd that France is even considering denying these women who wear a full veil public service of any kind. It gets even worse that they are further discussing fining them $1,000 just for being seen in public in a burqa! I just don't see the point in this? What satisfaction does the French Government get from condemning these Muslim women? I don't see the purpose in the slightest. In addition, I feel that it is wrong for the French Government to cast Islam in this negative light. It is just another religion like any other, practicing what they believe. It's all about choice. People should have the freedom to be able to make their own decisions. As stated in the video, the Muslim women are more then willing to show their faces for identification purposes so again, I don't see a problem in them choosing to dress in a full veil. The only issue I have with this topic is that I don't feel men should dictate how women should dress. I can understand a religious belief, but definitely not to please a man. During the summer when the weather is extremely warm and you see these women fully covered, it's hard to think that they are forced to dress like this for the men in their religion. I know that in the video some of the Muslim women stated that they wear it on their own behalf, but for those women that wear it to please a man, I feel that is wrong. The bottom line is that the French Government has no right to intervene. Muslim women should be able to practice their religion in any way shape or form as long as they are not hurting any one. Just because not everyone understands the reason behind it, doesn't mean that these women don't feel strongly about their beliefs. I feel that before the French Government can enact any form of law against Islam, they need to fully divelge into the religion and gather an understanding of what these people believe.
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I can understand how the French government could see this as a problem. In an increasingly secular world, people don’t want to see others and their blatant displays of affection and adornment to their own religious values and traditions. In fact, it is already illegal to wear such religious emblems as crosses in the workplace in France and England (says my English roommate). Women wearing burqas, to many Westerners, is a symbol of women’s in sub ordinance to men as the reporter in the video mentioned. We see this as a tradition that needs to be abolished for women’s rights. We see the women covered from head to toe, hiding their faces completely save for their eyes, and we get nervous, wondering if they’re terrorists, fearing they could be hiding a weapon behind their cloth.
All of this is a direct result of our inability to understand other people’s religions. I do not believe the French government should put a ban on the wearing of burqas because it takes away a fundamental freedom, most importantly because their clothing does not affect anyone else, save for maybe making them feel uncomfortable in their ignorance. Some people may argue that if we have laws against wearing nothing than we should have laws against certain clothing. A burqa is not a threat to anyone. Someone running around wearing nothing is called indecent exposure and such laws prevent people from having their eyes scarred and their children’s innocence protected. If a child saw a burqa and questioned it, it could be seen as a positive thing, that children are growing up and learning that not everyone looks the same, acts the same, or worships the same God. Although many parents try to refrain from teaching their children about other religions, it is nonetheless important information necessary to coexist in today’s diverse society. Perhaps this is the general consensus of the class because we are all young and mostly left wingers who have an open mind about people’s freedoms (just a thought to throw in).
In conclusion, the women in the video agreed that if asked to see their faces for legal reasons, they would be obliged to cooperate. This is one of the most important points made I feel. These women aren’t trying to break the law or make other people uncomfortable, they are simply exercising a right, just like most Western women who exemplify the right to wear short mini skirts and bear it all. Why should that be considered more acceptable? Women today are deciding how much or how little they want to wear, not men.
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I could not agree more. I had this woman speaker in my freshman year of college relating the hijab or the veil to freedom more than oppression. I've seen my friends under these veils. They hit the parlors and shop more than any other group of my friends. I would describe them as highly groomed and fashion conscious (or even parrots because they are dressed so flashy). They have their own idea of attracting men if that is what dressing up is all about. Dressing down may be mysterious or even sexy to them. So who is anyone to tell who can dress in a certain way? Women who wear burqas feel like they have more freedom than the western women. There was an article not too long ago about women in France being banned from public pools for wearing body suit modeled bathing suits. France has a fairly large Muslim society and unless they are causing harm to anyone, they should leave them alone. In India, a bunch of protesters tried to tear down this Muslim tennis player because she wore 'revealing' outfits (short skirts/shorts). In a New Jersey mall, cops escorted a pregnant woman out because she was wearing a bikini and a skirt too short even for a 3rd grader . Who is right and who is wrong? Are they all right or wrong? Who are we to say? No matter how much we try, there will always be this opposing force. Not necessarily uneducated but I would guess there was a personal underlying factor to this attitude. So if women want to wear or not wear clothes it's their fight because if they really cannot change much in the society they reside in, we all have the freedom to pick up and move. And like the above person said, power to them. (And I totally agree that women dress for other women. Of course, after they dress for themselves)
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The two Muslim women in the video took me by surprise. I always thought Muslim women were forced to wear the burqas by either their husbands or other male family members. I have always pitied the Muslim women on extremely hot days, although they never looked uncomfortable or openly complained. I just assumed it was forced on them. Before I watched this video and read Sam’s blog, I would have agreed with the law being passed. This is because I thought it would have freed these women. I would have believed the ban would make them happy and loosen the tight grasp their male family and friends have on their lives. This video opened my eyes to how much I truly don’t understand about the Muslim culture. I am completely unaware of many of their culturally and religious practices and the meaning behind them. I have never had intense personal experience with people that have a Muslim background. I would never want to wear a full veil because it has no meaning behind it for me. I would just be wearing multiple layers of clothes and experience discomfort when the sun was strong. I would have viewed it a nuisance that was forced on me. However, these women see it as a sign and symbol of their faith. They use them as outward signs to express their religious beliefs and wear them with pride. As a Christian, I outwardly display my faith by wearing a cross around my neck. Is that much different? Now that I heard the two women speak about how they choose to wear their garments and do not feel oppressed by them, my opinion has changed. I am a firm believer in having the right to choose how a person wants portray themselves, as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else. These women are not harming anyone and the government should not be allowed to ban an article of clothing that poses no threat. Are they harming anyone? From what I can see the only problem that occurs is in identification. The women agreed that they would remove the veil for identification purposes, so that dismisses that argument. If they pass this law, what is next? The government bans tattoos because they offend the upper class, conservative elite; or no yamacas allowed because Christians find them threatening. These examples are a stretch, but it could happen in extreme cases. We need to realize that although government is important to maintain order, they should not be given the power to control everything. In this case, France is not separating church from state and they are overstepping their power. The French government would be the group oppressing these women, not the Muslims males.
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I do not think that the government should have a right to get involved with Muslim women and what they do or wear. I understand that they may not agree with what the women are doing but to ban them from wearing burqas in nonsense and not fair at all to them and their religion. Women all over the world are free to wear what ever they want, yes it may not cover our whole body and faces, but we are free to wear whatever we want. If you tried to tell women all around the world that they couldn't wear something like skirts or high heels all of the women would freak out. If there is not rule on how much of your body has to be covered by clothing then who cares if your whole body is covered or not. Its obvious that this is what the Muslim women want to do and they are not going to change. You know that every time you pass a women wearing a burqas, especially in the summer, you feel bad because it is definitely extremely hot and it does not even look comfortable. This is going to make the French government look really bad because their are Muslim women everywhere throughout the world and nobody else has ever complained or tried to put a law against them wearing burqas. I understand that it is not mandatory in the Muslim religion for the women to wear them but if that is what they want to do and that is what they feel is right then they should be able to express themselves in that way. All of the women will take it off for identification problems, when necessary, but other than that they do not need their faces to be seen everyday. If the women are not causing problems or are not going against any rules then there is no need for them to not wear them. They are not trying to offend anyone they are just going by what they believe they need to do to follow their religion to the fullest. I think that the French should just leave it and then the burqas be worn because if they continue this it will get out of hand it will not be passed without a fight. Once more and more people start hearing about it is going to make the French look like they have something wrong with certain people expressing their religion. If this law is somehow passed it is going to effect all those women who believe and it can also offend other people over the world. Whether you are Muslim or not you obviously have some kind of feeling towards this law.
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I find this piece to be quite disheartening. It seems crazy, illogical, and unfair for a government to try to tell its people that they can not dress or act the way they want to. First off, enforcing this would be quite difficult. If a woman were to wear it in her own home or around her neighborhood i'm sure they would not be stopped by the police. In Public this would be not only uncomfortable for police but hard to pin point women in a large crowd, pull them off to the side, and scold them. What would they do, send them to the principles office and force them to change? They are not children, they can choose to wear what they want , when they want and how they want. If a cop has better things to do, I dont see why stopping a women from wearing the attire she likes and feels religiously obligated to wear would be at the top of a list in a large city with much more large scale crime. If a women wants to wear this attire because it is her religion, I feel that the government has no say in that. There has been and always should be a separation between church and state. No ruler would ever come out and say that people should not be able to walk around wearing crosses around their necks would they? Islam has been getting slammed in the news lately and I think this is prejudice at its best.I feel that is a person is doing no harm they should not be punished. That is a basic fact that you learn in kindergarten, if its not broken, dont fix it ! If the government is coming at it from a standpoint of protection, I can SORT OF understand that. It may be hard to recognize a person in that attire, or be sure that a woman picking up her child from school isn't really somebody else hiding under that large outfit. If that is the case, they should ask those people to show a form of identification or show their face. I didn’t feel that the majority of the video even tapped into the idea of protection, I didnt really see what their point was at all for that matter. Their reasoning didn't come through with any great force, they did a horrible job of showing the use of this law and how it would help the French society for the better. Im sure the percentage of people who even dress like this is so small that after the law was passed it wouldnt be spoken of… so why pass it ????? Who is this helping , nobody. Who is this hurting…The integrity and self worth of those who believe that this tradition is long lasting and meaningful. How does the French government who has no knowledge about the Islamic religion going to make such a bold statement and offend so many people. They should look into it first ,and realize that women don’t feel this is gender persecution, and arent unhappy in this attire. If they took the time to poll or interview women they would see that they actually enjoy wearing it, feel confident in them and would not choose any other way of dress, so they cant come at it from the perspective that they are helping these women be “freed”. All of this points blatantly with a big huge black arrow to the fact that this law is ridiculous and quite unnecessary.
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This article was extremely surprising to me. My first thought after reading it was, how would this have been handled if were an issue in the United States? I cannot help but think that if this controversy of Islamic women wearing burqas were to arise in the United States, its fuse would be short, and no ban would take place. I do tend to side with the more liberal views on policy so allowing people to wear what they want would clearly be my stance, but I also can see the more conservative people not being to happy with the ban either since they tend to shy away from high government involvement.
In all honesty I know very little about the French government and what kind of social laws they have in place now, but it would blow my mind to hear of a law restricting women on how much they could cover themselves. It seems almost ironic since here in the United States we have laws prohibiting people from wearing to little clothing (indecent exposure). But besides the some what comical aspect of this, the fact that this government is trying to place a law prohibiting a religious practice that is in no way shape or form causing problems in France is outrageous. These women are not causing riots, stirring up violence, or endangering the people of France in anyway. There is no reason or logic behind the law. The only explanation I can possibly think of for this unnecessary ban is plain fear of difference. This is not just a French problem, to be scared and or skeptical of the unknown, by any means. This article was extremely surprising to me. My first thought after reading it was, how would this have been handled if were an issue in the United States? I cannot help but think that if this controversy of Islamic women wearing burqas were to arise in the United States, its fuse would be short, and no ban would take place. I do tend to side with the more liberal views on policy so allowing people to wear what they want would clearly be my stance, but I also can see the more conservative people not being to happy with the ban either since they tend to shy away from high government involvement.
In all honesty I know very little about the French government and what kind of social laws they have in place now, but it would blow my mind to hear of a law restricting women on how much they could cover themselves. It seems almost ironic since here in the United States we have laws prohibiting people from wearing to little clothing (indecent exposure). But besides the some what comical aspect of this, the fact that this government is trying to place a law prohibiting a religious practice that is in no way shape or form causing problems in France is outrageous. These women are not causing riots, stirring up violence, or endangering the people of France in anyway. There is no reason or logic behind the law. The only explanation I can possibly think of for this unnecessary ban is plain fear of difference. This is not just a French problem, to be scared and or skeptical of the unknown, by any means. But this ban on burqas brings to light the true ignorance of people across the world.
Just like in the article about the young Jewish boy on the plane who was wrapping himself in teffilin, a cultural barrier of ignorance shown through. But unlike the burqa issue, people learned and expanded their knowledge of a religious culture that was unknown instead of freaking out about it and trying to ban a Jewish tradition from our society.
I feel bad for the women of France who will have to face much adversity through the trials of this law. They are going to have to take a firm stand for what they believe in and I hope that they can pull through.
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First off, I’ve grown up with Muslim female friends so from a young age I was exposed to young Muslim girls wearing hijab’s and understood why they wore them. Secondly, with this thought in mind, I found it very unfair and borderline ridiculous that France wanted to pass a law making it illegal for the women to wear burqa’s or even hijab’s or any other religious wear women would be compelled to wear. Now, I know that it’s now 2010 and some women in the Muslim world are under that strict force in their lives that mandate them to wear these religious cover ups, but I agree with what was said, that basically it’s been part of culture and almost habit for so long that most women probably just do so (choose to wear it) for whatever reason and not necessarily by force. There are some that genuinely believe that this is key to being a Muslim, but as the Imam in the video stated, nowhere in the Quran does it state that women must be covered up. Some of the Muslim women may be doing it to actually “embrace the experience as a path towards spiritual and psychological growth,” and to that I say “Whatever floats your boat.” In all honesty, it doesn’t bother me if they choose to wear a burqa or not, it has no effect on me! I could careless. It’s your life, you choose what you want to wear or don’t want to wear. For the French government to deem that illegal is very unfair (that being not allowing the Muslim women to wear hijab’s or burqa’s).
The French government or any government for that matter has no say in what a person can or can not wear, especially when it comes to religious articles of clothing. I felt like, let’s say, wearing these things WAS in the Quran, and as a devout or practicing Muslim, there was simply just no way around it. Was the French government really planning on enforcing such a ridiculous law? To imprison the Muslim population, which is now growing to be a major percentage of the France population in total, would overflow their prisons, needless to say. If France was really seeking that to allow the Muslim women to follow their path and do whatever they have to do to be enlightened or find self-awareness, they wouldn’t try to hinder that. Wearing burqa’s or hijab’s isn’t a danger or a threat to anyone around the women who don them. With all the terrorist speak and fear that has resulted in the past 9 years, anyone related to the Muslim faith sadly gets looked at differently. Because these garments may hinder the ability to easily see their identity, it becomes a threat in some way. Unspoken, it doesn’t mean that people immediately think terrorist if they see a woman wearing the garments. It’s ignorant people like them that may not ever be able to understand that not all Muslims are evil terrorists. It’s unfortunate that French Muslim women now have to deal with the possibility that banning these articles of clothing may become law.
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I’m not the type of person that gets upset by much and I also must admit that if I get upset by something I usually don’t act upon it. I let nature take care of its self and wash away all the impurities whether it be in a social, political, or economic situation. With this being said, I was a little upset about this movie clip regarding women wearing “hijabs” in France.
Of course, I could blabber on about how it’s not the government’s right to determine whether a person of a specific religion should be deterred from wearing their custom clothing, however I think there is a bigger issue lurking in the tall grass here. What does this situation portray what our society as a world has come to? We’ve got disaster ravaging many part of the world, we have still got economic turmoil in many part of the world (at least for those nations that have “an economy”), and we’ve got terrorism that has forced this generation to grow in fear of maybe another 9/11 or Madrid Subway Bombing. With less than 2,000 Muslims in France, is the issue of women wearing “jihabs” really be the issue the French Government should be going after? Of course in the video, they claimed 3 out of 5 (60%) of people surveyed said they want women to remove their hijabs from their head while in public. Now for those 60% of people who voted this way, what is the probability that one of them actually had an issue with a hijab? I could understand if a hijab has prevented a French citizen from viewing a show or concert, but the fact it truly has no significance except for the person wearing it, why truly care? A situation like this can be directly related to the United States and essentially the theory of du-rags and other headwear. If the specific item isn’t bothering anyone, and I mean actually bothering them, then why take it away from the user.
As the old saying goes “you have to pick your battles” and to be frank the French government has to “pick its battles” During a time in history like we have now, is going after the few thousands of people in France who wear hijab completely necessary? The French government needs to take a step back and realize we live in a time where civil rights have reached an all time high. Deterring a specific group of people from wearing something on their head is absurd. In that case why not go after all the Jews in the Americas and Europe and tell them to take their yamakas off their head when walking down the street on a given day. Could you imagine the outcry if that was attempted in NYC? Let’s just leave everything alone until it really needs attention.
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This video is very interesting to me because I always considered these full veil outfits to be oppressing to the women who wear them. To me, all I had heard was that the men would make the women wear these veils and that they would be punished for removing them in front of a man who is not their husband. Although this may not always be the case, in a way I still do see these veils as oppressive. It distinguished between man and woman in their culture, and takes away their unique facial features that make them a recognizable person. Under these veils, they have no identifiable features that would constitute them as a human being. It is almost as if, in their culture, is not necessary to know WHO they are but only that they are women. They are not recognized as people, just women. For these reasons, I feel as though no matter what women who wear them say, I think the root of these outfits are oppressing towards women. If someone were to ask me to wear an outfit in which the only thing someone could see would be my eyes (only so I could see, not so others could see me), I would be insulted and refuse due to my personal beliefs that covering up my body, and especially my face, takes away my qualities as a human being. Although, it is not my culture and I am very uneducated in their beliefs (even though this video states that it is not a religious practice), so I would not pass judgment or try to change this custom like France is trying to do. As for the deal with France, I do not think it is their place to make such a decision, but I do understand how wearing such full body veils would cause unrest. There is no way to identify these people, whether or not they are wearing the veil for religious purposes or for more of a suspicious concealing purpose. It could potentially cause danger to its citizens if, for example, a criminal is walking around wearing such dress in order to conceal him or herself from identification. Although, banning the wearing of these veils seems unjust and an invasion on free will and private beliefs. In addition, the video clip stated that only around two thousand women in the whole country wear these veils, so it seems a bit impractical to commit the time and force necessary for the enforcement of such a law. Even though it could present some problems and issues with security, I think that placing a ban on burqas is unfair to those who wear them for their own valued beliefs and opinions.
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I was drawn to reading this blog entry because I do not know much about the full veil outfits and was always just under the impression that it was unfair to women if they were forced to wear them. I knew that it was by choice for many but I had not taken the time to understand this custom. The video clip gave me a different perspective on it, mostly by listening to the women who said that they were going to wear the veils even if a law saying that they are not allowed to was enforced.
I had not heard about the ban that France was contemplating to use against women wearing burqas before watching the clip. I do not agree with this ban, especially the quote from the clip by Jean-Francois Cope saying, “It is a choice that is not compatible with the rules of the Republic”. Who decided this? If France is trying to help women who feel forced to dress this way, this ban is not the right way to do so. Women who wear the burqas because it is what they feel is right for them should be able to without interference from the government. Are they directly harming anyone by wearing these burqas? There are so many important things that the government needs to be involved with and it seems to me that focusing on this topic is a waste of their time and resources. This ban would be so hard to enforce because if women believe that this is what they should be wearing, they are not going to change that.
Even with this different perspective, I still do not fully understand the custom. I cannot imagine having to wear a full veil every day, but of course I grew up surrounded by a completely different culture. I still think that it is slightly unfair because it takes away the individuality of each woman because her facial features are hidden at all times. Their only identifiable characteristic is that they are a woman. There is no other way to distinguish them from others. I think this is sad because I am used to seeing such diversity around me every day and it would be a shame to take that away by covering every woman with a veil. With this being said, I still take into consideration that I have very little information regarding this subject and am not really in a place to pass judgment on it. I think that it is not the responsibility of the government in France to pass a law making the veils illegal, nor is it their place. It is a personal choice that should stay with the person who makes the decision to wear them.
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I completely disagree with what the French government is trying to do. Really, what harm are these women doing by wearing the burqas? Plus the video said it was only about 2,000 women. Is the French government really that bothered by that small amount of women covering up because of their religion?! Especially in this day and age, everyone should be allowed to wear whatever they want. You couldn't imagine a Jewish person getting fined $1000 dollars for wearing a Yarmulke or Kippah, could you? I always thought that these women HAD to wear the burqas because they were oppressed, but this video proved to me that it is just a religious decision. The French government needs to just calm down over there, I mean, isn't there more significant issues going on in the world that they should be worrying about?
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I agree with Sam when it comes down to the idea that the French Government does not seem to be very enlightened themselves, and I personally feel that they have no right, and should not under any circumstances tell these women how they can or should dress.
I don’t remember exactly when, I think it was the spring of 2008, I took the speech class that is required at Penn State. One girl in the class did her speeches on the hijab, what it was exactly, and what it represents to the women who wear it. I had not had much experience or knowledge on the subject before hand, so I was very interested to hear what she had to say. My classmate did not wear the hijab herself, but she did say that her two cousins, who lived in another country (I forget where, oops!), did. She explained that they weren’t forced to, but instead decided for themselves that they wanted to. She explained that the reason behind wearing it was not a negative thing. It wasn’t that they were forced to cover-up, to hide beneath it. Instead, I learned it was a way of being true to oneself. These women decided to wear the hijab because they wanted to save their outer beauty for their husbands. It was a way of respecting themselves, and it was a positive thing in their eyes.
After watching that clip from CNN, 3 things stuck out to me. I cannot believe, for the life of me that 3 to 5 people agree that wearing the full burka should be illegal? Are these people crazy?! I just don’t understand how that many people could think that making wearing something illegal, is reasonable. Most people would freak out if wearing a hat representing something, such as the Yankees, was illegal. I just don’t understand the difference. Another thing that stood out to me, was the negative retributions against the women should they not follow the rules. I find it unreal that they won’t be able to receive public services such as buying bus tickets get their kids from school and could be forced to pay up to $1000. I was surprised when the women said they were willing to show their faces for identification. If “security” is the issue, clearly the women don’t have a problem showing their faces, why can’t they be left alone?
I was unaware that this is an issue in France right now, and would be very curious to see if anyone is taking a stand against it. I will also be curious to see how it pans out in the end. All I know is that I personally believe it is extremely wrong, and against a person’s personal rights.
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From reading Sam's post I learned that what I would have ignorantly called a "scarf" or "headdress" is called a burqas. I am familiar with the burqas in the sense that I pass Muslim women walking in State College with them on almost every day. I had previously questioned why they covered so much of their bodies before and was told the burqas are for religious purposes. I had also been told that the men in their culture "forced" them to wear burqas. Originally, I was offended that men dominated the way Muslim women dressed. However, as a young American woman I had never considered the way I dressed being persuaded by men. I had been culturally ignorant to think that male domination was only affecting women covering up their bodies. In America women uncovering their bodies stems from that same male domination. To me burqas appear "different" or something I would be uncomfortable wearing; I am sure many Muslim women feel the same way about my skinny jeans and tank tops. Despite my lack of consideration for women's dress in the Muslim culture, France's attempt at a law against burqas displays more ignorance then my own.
In the video from CNN on a law trying to be passed in France they say that, "3 out of 5 French people agree that it should be illegal to wear face covering clothes like the burqas". The people that are in support of the ban blame it on the principal that men, be they husbands, fathers or brothers, force the Muslim women to wear them. I find this ridiculous reason to create a law to ban the clothing. The two women in the video assure viewers they don't wear the burqas to please their husbands but for piety. Have the French considered the way their women dress, leaving little of their bodies to the imagination, which IS arguably forced upon them by a male dominated society? AND yes-Muslim men may influence women wearing clothing to cover their faces, however they wear them from spiritual purposes as well. A law banning face-covering garments seems absurd to me. Admittedly, it may be due to the fact that I live in a country where the first amendment is to respect the establishment of religion. I don't feel France can morally pass a law that discriminates the Muslim religion just because some of its population wants the Muslims to absorb into French culture. That being said, I support the woman who will go against the law and wear the burqas in public, even if they will be denied the right to a bus ticket, the ability to pick their child up from school, and be fined. I feel the law is to extreme and is segregating those of the Muslim culture in France.
On a side note, after my discussion group today, I find it interesting that Jean-Francois Cope speaks to CNN in English. Despite the ridiculous things he says about covering of the face going against the "rules of the republic", why does he address the press in English. It is clear he has a French accent. Do other countries strive to speak English more than we in America strive to learn other languages? If so why is that?
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The potential ban on burqas in France is putting women’s rights especially Muslim women’s into question. I also agree with the video that it is shedding a negative light on the Islam religion. A French politician in the video said that women wearing the burqas are not compatible with the goals and objectives of the French government. French politicians believe that wearing the burqas has a subliminal message of female oppression. Therefore, the French think that banning Muslim women from wearing burqas will allow them to become “enlightened French citizens.” On the other hand, women who wear the burqas say that they wear it for religious reasons. If a woman is seen wearing one, they would have to pay a $1000 fine and businesses would not be permitted to serve them (if this law is passed). Isn’t that oppression? I do not see how banning wearing burqas will enlighten these women. Wearing burqas does not cause any serious threats and does not put the French citizens in any danger; therefore, the French should not ban it because it is oppressing Muslim women’s rights.
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I have learned that the women of the Middle East are severely oppressed– they are not allowed to work jobs, drive cars, or go to school. These are all things that women living in America take for granted. When comparing American women to Middle Eastern women, I think that what stands out the most is the difference in dress. Seeing a woman completely covered from head to toe seems like oppression to me. Who would want to wear a "veil" around her face, completely covering it? Here at Penn State, it is practically a competition of who can wear the least amount of clothing to weekend parties! This is why the post caught my eye– I would have never known that some women actually choose to cover up! I was so surprised to read that there are Middle Eastern women who are not forced to wear a "veil" around their face, but do anyway. If women do choose to wear burqas, is it right for France to ban them completely? I think that it is absolutely ridiculous to ban women from wearing and article of clothing. I would be livid if the government told me that I am not allowed to wear jeans– an article of clothing I wear everyday.
Furthermore, many women wear barqas for their own religious purposes. I read in another article that wearing barqas has already been banned in French public schools because students are not allowed to wear anything that is a religious symbol. Because I am Jewish, I wonder if the French government will also try to ban men from wearing yamukkahs. Several of my Catholic friends wear crosses around their necks. Therefore, it would only be fair to ban such jewelry as well. It is crazy! However, one can look at this from another perspective. I have also learned that there are plenty of women in the Middle East who do not have the choice of wearing a barqa. There are women who are indeed oppressed and are forced by men to stay completely covered. Perhaps those women dream of one day wearing whatever they wish to wear. Perhaps they yearn to express themselves through the clothes they wear. If this is the case, then for those women, the ban on barqas in France would be a great thing.
Overall, I just wish that each and every women of the Middle East had the option of wearing barqas. If they wanted to wear one, they could. If they did not want to wear one, they would not have to. Moreover, there would not be any bans on any type of clothing. Everyone would be free to wear what they wanted regardless of what religion is being represented.
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I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THIS IS BEING PUT UP FOR DEBATE. IT IS FASCINATING THAT SO MUCH TIME IS BEING SPENT ON THE ISSUE OF FASHION, WHEN THIS TIME COULD BE SPENT ON DISCUSSING WORLD ISSUES: POVERTY LEVELS, FINANCIAL CRISES, AND SO ON. IN MY OPINION IT IS PERSONAL PREFERENCE ON WHAT ONE WEARS AND SHOULD NOT BE CONTESTED BY THE GOVERNMENT, UNLESS IT IS HARMING ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. I SUPPOSE WHAT SURPRISES ME THE MOST IS THE ISSUE OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. I DID NOT THINK THAT IN 2010 A TOPIC OF THIS NATURE WOULD CAUSE SO MUCH CONTROVERSY.
IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THE PARLIAMENTARY MAJORITY LEADER SPEAKING ON THE ISSUE. I AGREE WITH HIM WHEN HE SAYS THAT BY COVERING YOUR FACE YOU ARE TAKING A POSITION. THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD NOT BE TAKING A POSITION, BUT THAT POSITION IS OF RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND AND I TRULY BELIEVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT OR ITS POSITION IN THE WORLD. IT IS, IN MY OPINION, ARROGANT AND VAIN FOR THE FRENCH LEADERS TO VIEW THESE ACTIONS AS AN ATTACK ON THE GOVERNMENT OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM AS A WHOLE. I ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS COULD BE AN ATTACK ON THE GOVERNMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I AM NOT WELL VERSED IN THE GOVERNMENTAL HISTORY OF FRANCE AND I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT, BUT I DO NOT SEE HOW COVERING YOUR ENTIRE BODY CAN BE CONSTRUED AS A PROTEST.
I FLAT OUT DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY, A RELIGIOUS LEADER WOULD COMMENT ON THE PRACTICE AT ALL. AND WORSE TO SAY IT IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY. IT IS PERSONAL RELIGIOUS CHOICE AND I BELIEVE THAT IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOW TO FOLLOW THAT INTEROPERATION. AGAIN IT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE AND WHO IS ANYONE TO SAY WHAT ONE PERSON SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT WEAR.
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I could not agree more. I had this woman speaker in my freshman year of college relating the hijab or the veil to freedom more than oppression. She was highly educated, well spoken and pleasant. I did a project on women under the veil after that. Whether they use it to hid e their beauty or protect themselves, everyone should be allowed to dress in a fashion they desire. Do we stop Lady Gaga and her bizarre outfits? I've seen my friends under these veils. They hit the parlors and shop more than any other group of my friends. I would describe them as highly groomed and fashion conscious (or even parrots at times because they are dressed so flashy). They take their veils of in the privacy of their home around family and friends. They choose not to show themselves to the rest of the world. Maybe society brought them up to believe that covering themselves is the right way to go. Just like in America where freedom and individuality is stressed upon to the max. The women of Islam have their own idea of attracting men if that is what dressing up is all about. Dressing down may be mysterious or even sexy to their men. So who is anyone to tell who can dress in a certain way? France is a socialist country but the attention from other parts of the world gives them the chance to review what they are doing. They should learn a little from these ‘oppressed’ societies and understand why they have such customs. Women who wear burqas feel like they have more freedom than the western women. There was an article not too long ago about women in France being banned from public pools for wearing body suit modeled bathing suits. France has a fairly large Muslim society and unless they are causing harm to anyone, they should leave them alone. In India, a bunch of protesters tried to tear down this Muslim tennis player because she wore 'revealing' outfits (short skirts/shorts). In a New Jersey mall, cops escorted a pregnant woman out because she was wearing a bikini and a skirt too short even for a 3rd grader. Who is right and who is wrong? Are they all right or wrong? Who are we to say? No matter how much we try, there will always be this opposing force. Not necessarily uneducated but I would guess there was a personal underlying factor to this attitude. So if women want to wear or not wear clothes it's their fight because if they really cannot change much in the society they reside in, we all have the freedom to pick up and move. And like the above person said, power to them. (And I totally agree that women dress for other women. Of course, after they dress for themselves)
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Why does the French care so much? This is a way of life for the Muslim women. They are doing what they think they are supposed to be doing. This is almost like the issue that happened with the man and his teffilin on the airplane. They are wearing the burqas to signify their religion. Should America ban people wearing crosses as a signification of their religion? I don’t think so. The Muslim women should be allowed to wear the burqas because they are following their religious beliefs. I do agree that is casts a negative light on Islam like they said in the video. Just because people decide to wear something for the religion does not mean that Islam should be negatively looked upon.
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This shouldn’t be a political issue. People’s choice of clothing is a personal matter and the government should have no say in what you can wear in public. The women in France seem to do it by choice, and it isn’t a matter of them being forced to wear burqas by their male counterparts. If this law does pass, what’s next? You can’t only stop a small group of people (2,000 in the whole country) from wearing what they wish. You would have to stop Christians and other religions from wearing clothing that promotes their religion. If ski masks became a fashion trend, you would have to make them illegal as well. It’s just a topic that shouldn’t even be discussed by the government, because it would only lead to issues of personal freedom. If it was an issue of safety, where people wearing burqas were committing crimes and people couldn’t identify them, then that would make sense to make them illegal. That doesn’t seem to be the case in France. These women aren’t committing crimes, I’m saying this because it wasn’t even mentioned in the video, and because of that this argument that burqas should be illegal is ridiculous
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This video completely shocked me when I saw it. Being a Christian, I never fully understood the whole concept behind the Burqa and still after watching this video do not understand too much more about it. I never knew, however, that women often elect to wear it themselves. Yes, some are forced to wear it, but many chose to as part of their religion. The women in the video clip seem like they would be extremely offended that the French government would hand out a fine if they wore them in public and quite frankly I would be offended to. Wearing the Burqa is something they identify themselves with and use it to show that they are practicing Muslims. Having the Burqa taken away is ridiculous. Sam brings up a good point when he asks the question what are they going to wear and then states things such as high heels, thongs, tight shirts, etc. These women are comfortable with what they wear why would they change. They should be free to wear whatever they want to wear.
I have a friend named Kulsum who wears a scarf around her head as part of her religion. When a girl wears a scarf it symbolizes that they are now becoming a woman. The reason for wearing the scarf is so that others do not judge you based on your appearance; rather they see your inner beauty. In her culture women are only aloud to take the scarf off when they are married to a husband, in a private place, around family members or members of the same sex. Every girl gets to decide if they want to wear the scarf or not and I have heard of both girls who wear the scarf and ones who elect not to wear the scarf. I have not heard of there being any penalty against the girls who decide not to wear the scarf. This is neat if you think about it and I believe it would help divorce rates not grow. If someone loves you for who you are and not what you look like I feel looks can only add to your opinion of someone.
Now picture if Kulsum or someone who elects to wear something like a Burqa was banned from doing so. This would be completely ridiculous considering they WANT to wear it. Wearing something like this is a part of who they are, whom they identify with. It is almost like wearing a necklace that is a cross or Jewish star and then having someone tell you that you will get fined or in trouble if you keep wearing it. We all have the right to be free and decide who we want to be; no one should be able to strip that right from us.
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I agree with Sam on this one. Many women wear burquas because it is what they are comfortable in. Women in the united state may wear clothes for fashion but these women wear clothes for comfort. After reading “A Thousand Splendid Suns” it gave me a whole new perspective on this article of clothing. In the book the women enjoyed wearing her burqua in public. She said she felt much more comfortable and alive. She could walk around town without shame and could hold her head up high. She liked the fact that no one saw her face and although at first her husband forced her to wear it, she continued to even after he no longer did. I honestly think an article of clothing like this should not be band. I see how the officials could make the argument that, they are unable to see the person’s face. This is understandable in certain situations that you must see the woman’s face, such as a courthouse or any government building at that, but if the women is just grocery shopping or picking a child up from school, I do not see why this should be band. Don’t women have the right to choose what they wear? In America some women walk around half naked and exposing themselves. How is this more appropriate than covering one’s face? These women have just as much of a right to express themselves in their clothing as any woman. If it means covering their faces and bodies, more power to them. Although there is nothing in the Koran about having to cover’s one’s face, I’m sure there is nothing in the Koran or the bible that says one must expose their face. I understand the safety of being able to see a person’s face and it is sad to think in this day and age we feel that way but it is only necessary at certain times and places. Yes I agree these women should have to show their faces in an airport with identification or once again in a government situation, but as far as when they decide to go out into public to run errands or go to work, I do not find it necessary to band burquas completely. If the people who agree with the band honestly think it is because a man is controlling these women’s lives, they need to learn a little more about these women. In France they have a choice of what to wear and I highly doubt these well established women feel pressure from the men in their life. It is their choice to wear what they choose and I personally think it is crazy for the French to be so skeptical but yet naive about these womens lives.
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This article and video caught my eye because it had to do with women’s rights. I don’t know a lot about Muslim women and their culture, but I did find it very odd that France wants to ban women to wear burqas. It should be the women’s choice what she wants to wear. Some women believe they should cover their face and bodies because of religious beliefs. And others just grew up wearing veils throughout their life and now its become part of them as the one women described in the video, and that’s why she feels comfortable wearing the burqa now. If they did pass this law I think its disgusting that the women will have to change now what they wear. Will the women who wear it for religious purposes still wear it because it’s part of their religion? I mean they should still wear them because it’s their religious belief but then they will get fined which is ridiculous to me. I didn’t think that you were allowed to basically segregate someone like this because of basically their religion. Even though some women wear this by choice it is still going to be segregating them because they now cannot wear what they want to wear.
I didn’t know that places were allowed to decide what these people should be wearing and what you shouldn’t be wearing. Like the man in the video said, these women who wear the burqas aren’t required to wear them. So who is French to say what they should be wearing. I don’t think its fair to these women at all. I know some people think that seeing women in these burqas makes you think of them as being oppressed. To be honest, I never understood why they wore them or how they felt comfortable wearing them. But if these women want to wear them and feel comfortable wearing them then that should be all the matters. The video basically said not even that many women wear them so it doesn’t make sense that their trying to ban them.
In American women feel the pressure to impress men and look good for them by wearing heals and nice clothes sometimes. These women who wear these burqas may feel that this is the way they are “supposed to dress”. And feel that by wearing this it will impress or stand out to the one they’re with. The video said that some woman go against their men’s wishes and still wear them. And I feel like it’s because of the way they think they should look. Women in American and France shouldn’t have to worry about what other people think about them. They wear what they think is best suited for themselves. In France, the women should have the choice to either wear them or not.
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After reading this blog, I have to disagree with the French government about banning “niqab” or “abeyya” or “hijab”. I do not think the French government is turning the Muslim women into enlightened French citizens by not allowing them to wear their outfits. It was even more shocking to see that they would fine these women $1000 for wearing their burqas. Banning the burqas is a way of going against the Muslim religion; it can be viewed as telling the Jewish people not to wear their Yamakas. What the French government might view as normal or enlightened might not be the same for everyone else. Maybe some of the Muslim women think wearing a T-shirt and jeans is not the correct way to dress, instead everyone should wear burqas. It is the rights of these women to decide if they want to wear burqas. Even in the video, some of the women who wear their burqas said that no one forced them to do it; some of the women even said they are going against their husband’s wishes when they wear it. These women do it is because they believe wearing burqas is the correct way for Muslim women to behave in their religion. In the video, the women they interviewed were all very strong in their beliefs and they would not stop wearing their burqas even if the French government decides to ban it. I think it is wrong that the French government should set a dress code for its citizens, especially a dress code that is targeted directly at a subculture. Maybe the French government wants its citizens to show their faces for identity purposes, but in the video, one of the Muslim women mentioned that she would not mind taking off her burqas for identification, but she will continue to wear it because it’s a religious symbol. If women are willin to take off their burqas for identification purposes, then I do not see a problem in them wearing it. The burqas are not offensive and people have been wearing them for a long time now for religious purposes. I think the French government should focus their attention on other issues that are more important and urgent than worrying about how a subculture should dress especially when they are not contributing any problems or harm to the society. Sometimes I think people get bored dealing with similar issues everyday so maybe that is why the French government decides to bring up the issue of dress code. After reading this article, I was also wondering if the French government decides to ban the burqas then will they also ban those winter face masks that people wear when it is really cold.
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This is actually a story I can't make a for or against about. I feel like i take both sides. One side of me says why ban something like that when it is part of someones culture. It is not a clan or a terrorist group. These are people that wear these for a reason and so let it be. And then the other part of me says why do people need to cover there face. It does kind of put a thing out there that says "suspicious". I mean here is an example: i would never be able to date someone because the first thing i look at is there face and if I cant see that forget it.
The government getting involved with a choice based on religion is dumb. Religion is whatever to me and I think there is much more to life then believing in one thing or another. Lets just live do what we gotta do any you know what as sam says "by and large I am going to die one day and that is all I am worried about". I really believe when its your time it is your time… no matter who or what you believe in. So lets just get over what people are wearing and let them wear whatever they want. For the most part it doesn't effect many people. Unless i guess it can effect the people that own stores and if someone walked in like that i would mistake them for a robber like for a quick second, but that is how I am so it's cool.
These women have as much of a right to wear their burquas as I can wear a certain color or certain sayings on my shirt. Its a representation of their culture and their religion and since they are in a free country they should be allowed to bring their cultures and beliefs with them and practice them freely. This whole thing is stupid. People fight and come up with stuff just to annoy people i believe most of the time.
That is part of the reason this world will never be in peace. People have to tell other people stuff that is just nonsense and fights start. Many women only wear head scarf anyway. Only some wear the entire thing. The people in France for the most part accept who we are and we learned to accept them. I think the french can be retarded can I say. Like really? Lets make better rules then this like no Homework on Fridays…. haha if you think about it this ban is the type of rule as No homework. STUPID. Some people just need to mind their own business.
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This article shows how ignorant people in France are. Wearing a burqa is a common Muslim practice, and French people should be tolerant to it. There is a tremendous Muslim population in France. The fact that the French are trying to ban burqas shows how ridiculously backward the modern world is.
In the video, the French lawmaker talks about burqas not being common in French culture. France colonized North African countries, and some of these North Africans have moved to France. France should embrace their culture and allow them to practice their customs. It is absolutely ridiculous that the French would try to not allow these Muslims to wear their burqas.
Even more ridiculous than the French trying to ban burqas is the Imam who is supporting this policy. He should understand that it is his duty to embrace his religion and support the people who follow it. In effect, he is renouncing people who follow their religion. The two women who wear their burqas are following their religion and no one should ever be persecuted for that.
I understand that we must look at the issue from the French citizen’s perspective. The average French citizen is not used to seeing burqas and is probably intimidated when they see women walking around wearing burqas. That being said, we live in a modern world and these French citizens need to educate themselves about different religions. They should understand that burqas are not threatening and there is no reason for them to get worried. They should understand that France has more and more immigrants and these immigrants bring traditions from their home countries with them.
This problem is not only evident in France. This problem is found in every country of the world, including the United States. We are flooded with magazines that depict skinny blonde-haired women wearing tight jeans and revealing clothes. Everyone wants to fit the perfect mold, but the truth is that not everyone can. People are different and people are diverse. We need to embrace people’s diversity and not try to get people to be all the same. The two Muslim women from the news story are very strong, because they are resisting the urge to fit into society. They were born Muslims, and they are not going to give up their customs because someone tells them to. I respect this very much, and I think that more people should act in the same way. It is very sad that the world we live in does not promote diversity, but we must come together and show people that it is wrong to not promote diversity. Diversity is extremely important, and everyone in the world should do everything they can to embrace it.
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It is utterly shocking to me that women choose to wear long, dark, and heavy clothing that covers their entire body. It would never be my choice to wear such clothing. Then again, I can see why people would ask the same question about high heals, tight shirts, and thong underwear. To me, enforcing a law banning women who choose to wear these clothes would be extremely controversial, because it is not hurting anyone. I can see why the women would be upset about something so harmless is the world when there are so many other, bigger problems out there the government could be focusing on. The government only wants to ban women from wearing burqas because they aren't what they choose to wear. Sure, I don't choose to wear a burqa, but if they government chose to ban sweatshirts I would be up in arms. I live in sweatshirts and would feel completely offended because it's not like it hurts anyone. The same goes for a burqa. Sure a burqa isn't a very flattering look, but neither is a sweatshirt. If a burqa is a way of expressing comfort to women in France, or maybe even beauty, then let them be. It is so surprising that such a situation is even in existence. I never would have thought women would choose to wear burqas. I always assumed the whole point of a woman wearing a burqa was because a man made them, or it was a law etc. The case though that it is a choice by many women shows that it is something so pointless to argue over. It is one thing to make someone wear something specific, but it is a completely different situation when it is by choice. I don't believe the choice is wrong, and that is what the moral of this whole story is. It is a choice, and a harmless choice nonetheless. What I am most anxious to see is how this story will play out. Obviously, if it does follow through, and the law gains momentum, then chaos will ensue, in my opinion. Overall, the story took my by surprise because I never would have expected for a woman to choose to wear a burqa. The only reason I would ever resist to defend the women in this situation is it were a safety issue. But, it is their choice to dress as they choose. I love the freedom of waking up and putting on whatever I want in the morning, and I think they should be able to do the same, whether it is a sweatshirt or a burqa.
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Why should they ban people from wearing something they want to wear? That would be like banning girls from wearing their tight jeans or their high heels. That sounds ridiculous when you think about it. I can’t imagine there being a ban on women to wear tight jeans. These women wearing their burqas is the same thing as American women wearing their tight jeans. It is part of who they are and it is how they chose to express themselves. These women are not harming anybody by covering their face. Many people may feel awkward being around that, but then again I’m sure some people may feel awkward when young girls are prancing around in skin tight jeans with heels. It is all a matter of preference. There is no reason why these women should not be allowed to wear the clothing that they feels represents them best.
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This article is very interesting. It is really too bad that many Muslim women are part of male-oriented, oppressive cultures. In my opinion women should not be forced to wear an abeyya and should have the same rights as males. Unfortunately that is not how the Muslim people are. I think that it would be ridiculous if the French government banned abeyyas. Who are we to tell others what they should and should not do? People should have the right to do as they please, within reason. If wearing the veil were to cause safety issues, then I would say that they should be banned.
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I am writing in response to Sam Richard's post, "The Enlightened 'West' Knows Best". After reading the blog post and viewing the CNN video, I have to stop to think why France is so adamant on passing a law banning barqas. It's a part of Muslim feminism- a cultural and religious comfort and normality. I'm not any expert on French government, but shouldn't both men and women have the right to freedom of expression through the clothes they wear? As Sam said, women in the United States wear considerably "worse" clothing that can be seen as provocative and inappropriate. How has that type of clothing become more or less "acceptable" in today's culture, while religious garments like barqas and hijab are not? In my opinion, France is on a fine line of impinging on freedom of expression and religious persecution. In the CNN video excerpt, one of the Muslim women sporting the religious garments said that they would be more than willing to "unmask" themselves for identification purposes as deemed necessary. If these women are willing to compromise, why won't France?
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These women consider themselves to be women of Muslim faith and the French republic should not stop them from carrying out their beliefs. This news story changed my mind because I now realize that many Muslim women choose to wear full veils. I think it is wrong for France to completely outlaw the wearing of veils because they see it as a symbol of oppression. They are not harming other members of society by wearing burqas. I think that if women do not want their bodies exposed or their faces then they have every right to do so. These women clearly are happy and comfortable with what they wear. Why should one person’s comfort be disregarded for the comfort of another? It is crazy that the French are trying to make a law that bans women from wearing a veil that covers their bodies. It will not help the ones who are truly oppressed gain any freedom. What’s next, will Jews be banned from wearing yamicas or will Catholics be banned from wearing crosses? These Muslims are expressing their religions and beliefs in a way that ‘outsiders’ don’t understand. In reality, these women really do want to wear burqas. America would never go to such lengths to stop a certain culture from practicing their beliefs and rituals that don’t harm anyone. It seems so easy for a government to just ban something they don’t agree with. While there are certainly some women who are forced by their husbands to wear burqas, but on the other hand they are banning the freedoms of those women who do wear them voluntarily. The French should be more concerned with encouraging women who are forced to wear them to speak up. They definitely need to reconsider the message they are sending not only to their citizens but also to the world. In a direct relation to the blog post, I disagree with the French statement that says they are going to turn them into “enlightened French citizens.” What really is an enlightened citizen anyway? I think that education is the best way to open people’s minds up to new ideals and not just ban them because they are so different.
No one in the United States or any other country is calling for the end of these rituals and beliefs of the modern women. I would be furious if someone told me I was not allowed to wear a dress or tight jeans. People in this world need to be more understanding of different values and cultures. I also think that people should be allowed to practice their beliefs as long as they are not harming the lives of other people. Everyone should have the right to express who they are whether it’s the religion they practice or they way they dress.
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After simply just glancing at a couple of the responses made on this topic it is clear that many people think that France even thinking about banning burqas for Muslim women is ridiculous and crazy and out of the question. However (not agreeing with France’s actions towards this subject at all but) isn’t it easy to make that statement coming from a society that values freedom of choice? France is a different place with different styles of living and different views about the world and how people should live. However, do I think that they should tell people what they can and can not wear? No, but I do not think that we should jump down France’s throats for thinking about creating a law that they think is going to better for their country.
We have all grown up hearing the American phrase “Land of Free,” but unfortunately that does not apply in all countries. Khaled Hosseini’s book A Thousand Splendid Suns follows the stories of two Afghan women who’s lives run into one, and their journey through post-Taliban activity. The book really opened my eyes to Afghan culture and the way women are treated. I was astonished to read the brutality and lack of rights that women there had in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Two of the rules that I explicitly remember was one: always be fully covered whenever they leave their homes. And the second one was when they did leave their homes they must be accompanied by a related male, whether husband, brother, cousin, in-law. I couldn’t believe it, but this was indeed their culture. And those women in this article, just as we do with our traditions and cultures, carry them along with us. These women were born and raised into a society that has set rules about how you look and behave in public, and it is not wrong for them to want to continue those traditions in another place then where they originated from. Maybe these women feel more comfortable this way, maybe these women just want to follow in the same footsteps as their mothers and their grandmothers, and who is to tell them that they have to appear otherwise.
Growing up in the “Land of Free” I think it is very easy for us to jump down France’s throat about their absurd idea of banning burqas for Muslim women, but yet again they are a different country, with different outlooks on life, and how things should be mannered. However, as an American, I do not think France is right to tell anybody what they can and can not wear. But, then again I am not the French Republic and I do not see their point in banning burqas.
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I actually watched this video earlier in the week but decided not to post an immediate response. Surprisingly, this idea of banning women from wearing burqas stuck in my head for a few days. I thought about what this would mean to be a woman in France hearing of this news. Of course many questions ran through my mind. What would be something that I wear daily that might be controversial to some? Is there anything I wear that can be associated with my religion? Can French lawmakers really impose a law for someone being TOO covered?
I contemplated some of these questions that I had, but I obviously did not come up with any definite answers. Regardless, they were interesting things to think about. In fact, it all seems somewhat unreal to me when I stop and think of the government telling me one day that I cannot wear a hat, or maybe a scarf, or any item that I see as “normal” in my culture. I mean really, isn’t it just clothing? I think it is hard for me to get a grasp around this issue because I am so accustomed to always seeing actresses, celebrities, etc. wearing not enough clothes. Then it is brought to my attention that women in France may no longer be able to wear a simple piece of clothing over their heads. Something is wrong with this picture! It is so strange and fascinating just how different cultures are, and how people perceive different situations.
I personally do not see the reasoning behind why French officials would see the need to ban burqas. The video states that less than two thousand women in the country actually wear this face-covering veil. Compared to the whole population, this really is a small, small number and I really do not think this could create a large problem. Yes I agree that the numbers could rise, but even if they did I do not see these burqas to be harming anyone or anything. In order for me to best understand this situation, I related it to me wearing a cross necklace around my neck. To me, I associate the cross with my religion and beliefs and if it is simply around my neck and I do not see how it could be harming anyone. It is simply a way for me to express myself. Similarly, these Muslim women are wearing veils as a part of their beliefs, culture, religion, and are harming no one. To my knowledge they are not forcing others to act like them, they are not wearing these burqas as a symbol against anything; they are simply acting on their culture. I see absolutely no harm in this and do not think French officials have any right to ban these articles. I would hate to have a situation like this placed upon me and therefore I support and agree with the women who do not want to abide by this ban.
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If less than 2000 women wear the burqas why are they making such a big deal about it? If this is what the women want to wear than let them wear it. However it is a totally different situation if the men around them are forcing them to wear these burqas. This would be subjugation on many levels and would be wrong. People have the right to wear what they want, whether it is baggy jeans, skinny jeans, or burqas. If it is religious beliefs then I don’t see why it should be banned. IF they want to wear these and feel more comfortable with their faces covered I say go for it. If they are being forced however I could see how that could be uncomfortable and hot and how people would stare. The woman in the video is right. Passing a law against burqas would take away fundamental rights and be wrong. Some Muslims are even against the full vale which surprises me. They state that it says nothing in the Koran about women having to fully cover with a vale but what if that is how they are most comfortable? How would you feel if you had a favorite outfit you loved to wear and felt comfortable in and someone told you it was against the law to wear it? Personally I would be upset, even though that doesn’t even compare because some of these women claim they are doing it for their religion. They are trying to pass this so that if a woman is wearing a full vale she cannot have public service such as purchasing anything from food to a bus ticket. How can you discriminate against someone because of what they are wearing that is ridiculous. Also they are trying to charge a $1000 for wearing one in public. This is to me just stupid. People sometimes wear things that make me uncomfortable but should they be fined for it? This just to me seems likes discrimination and racism. I think it is respectful that these ladies say if need be they will show their faces for identification purposes, what else could you ask for? What other reason would there be to tell people they can’t wear something if they are willing to show their face for identification what would be the reason that they couldn’t wear these? If any law is passes against wearing the full vale it would most certainly be challenged in court and most likely would not be in affect too long. Even the police stated that if this law was passed it would be difficult to enforce it. I feel bad for these women who are just trying to follow their religion or just trying to feel comfortable. The thought that a law like this could be put into place in the year 2010 where we have come so far with rights and respect for others religion is shocking.
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I dont think there is any reason in the world for a law like this to be passed. Governments are not supposed to impose any kind of will on the people. As soon as they start telling Muslim women that they cant wear a burqas they are going to tell people that they can't wear shirts that promote any dissenting opinions on them. Then they will tell people that they must dress in "decent"clothes. It is going to be a slippery slope if a law like this is passed. With all of the offensive fashion statements being made in today's world (overweight people wearing belly shirts or tight spandex pants, people wearing shirts that display anti-government sentiments, girls wearing shorts that expose the bottom half of their ass, girls wearing shorts that let their thong hang out) there are lots ways to be more offensive than women simply living according to their beliefs. To say that this law is supposed to grant women certain rights like freedom of expression or whatever is completely ass-backwards. This law is not only encroaching on the rights of those women, but every person living in France.
The bigger problem I see in this article is not that the government is becoming more aggressive in asserting its will over people, it is that the article suggests that western society has the solution for these women that are being oppressed, most of whom probably wear a burqa by choice. Western society, on the whole, doesn't understand what these peoples beliefs and traditions are founded upon. Western society has the image that women are meant to be beautiful and glamorous, and in their quest for beauty and glamor western women will do anything to their bodies and wear anything no matter how uncomfortable it is. And this is starting to be the case at an younger and younger age, even going as far as child beauty pageants. When it comes down it, there is just an enormous difference in ideology for women from the west and women from the middle east. And it seems to me that the west is the un-enlightened ones. When did it become encouraged in our society to push girls to be perfect looking at any cost? This kind of reinforcement only feeds depression among children. In Islam women are thought of as being decent and reserved about their sexuality. I'm not saying that i agree with all the practices that go along with this, i am a proponent for womens rights and i think they should be able to have the same jobs men have and everything. But i do think that there is something of value in creating an atmosphere that makes girls think of themselves in a different way than just being a sex object, which is what it seems like they are becoming in the west. If American women were as dedicated to being modest and covered than their daughters would see that it is possible to have inner beauty and they would learn to embrace that. Unfortunately that kind of image doesn't sell in the media so there is no exposure for that kind of lifestyle.
Im not suggesting that America and the rest of the western world make a move in a more conservative direction, not only is this highly unlikely to ever happen, but i think it would cause a lot more problems than whether or not Muslim women in France can wear a burqa or not. I am only suggesting that, like the law states, people are free to express themselves in anyway they see fit so long as they are not hurting anyone in the process. This means that if Muslim women living in France want to wear burqas, they should wear burqas. Having more than one tradition/culture/ideology in one place is a good thing. People CAN learn from one another despite what our current situation might show.
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This is an interesting topic to me because when I see women wearing burqas I assume they are doing it because of their religious beliefs, while when they are in Muslim countries I tend to assume they wear them because they are forced to do so. I can understand the French feel that they would be freeing the Muslim women by making them not wear the burqas, but like I see in the US many of the women in France are doing it out of choice and respect for their religion not necessarily because they are being forced. The two women that speak in the video mention that they know of Muslim women who wear the full face covering even in opposition to their husbands which shows it is purely their own choice. It is crazy that the French government thinks they know best for the Muslim women and want to turn them into “enlightened” western women. What does that even mean? And why can’t they still be enlightened women if they follow their religious beliefs and where what they want. Honestly when I see women wearing a full cover up I often wonder why anyone would want to go out like that, why they wouldn’t want to wear regular clothes, but ultimately it doesn’t matter what I think or what I would do it’s a choice. Wouldn’t this just constitute as freedom of expression. It’s kind of weird to hear about the opposition within the Muslim community. Some people angry about the bad light on their community others just angry at the women who still choose to wear this stating that it is not in the Curran and they shouldn’t not portray that it is. I would assume that the Muslim community would all be on the same page that it is a woman’s choice whether or not to wear the hijab.
I don’t see how this will become a legitimate law or why people are even trying. By these few women wearing full coverings, who gets hurt? What is it doing to the other French citizens? I don’t see any harm coming from their choice to cover themselves so why try and take away their rights? It just doesn’t make sense. It’s also very over the top to put in place a $1000 fine if you are caught wearing the coverings. That is an outrageous penalty and I bet there are much worse crimes that you get off with just a warning or a lesser fine. The video even stated that the French police force has no idea how they would be able to enforce and carry out such a law. I agree with Sam, a truly enlightened society allows their people to take their own paths and make choices for themselves that do not harm anyone else
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I do not understand why the French government feels the need to impose its views on the way Muslim women should dress and act. It’s hard to believe this is taking place in the 21st century, because the selfishness of the French government for saying their way is the right way feels like it belongs centuries ago. Like Sam said, why is the “enlightened” dress only the way the French view it, and what are the Muslim women supposed to wear?
People’s clothes are a matter of expression, and sometimes, as in this case, deal with religion. Therefore, if the French government feels the need to restrict Muslim women from wearing what their culture dictates, then they should also restrict other “offensive” types of clothing. What if the French were to ban racy clothes like shorts that are too high or shirts that show off too much. It would be met with a firestorm of protest, people saying that they have the freedom to wear what they please as long as it is in accordance with laws dealing with common decency, like public nudity. The case with the Muslim women is no different. To put in restrictions about them wearing religious hoods is ridiculous. The French are showing their ignorance by trying to say that the way they dress, or the way their culture dresses, is how everyone should. In a world that has become more global, countries should be aware that foreign cultures are becoming more common.
Now, the French may be trying to look out for the women because they see the certain articles of clothing that cover the skin as oppressive and want to give the women religious freedom. That basis I can deal with, and is a considerate idea. What bothers me though is the steps they are taking to make these women into what they want them to be. Now, I don’t know exactly what their idea of “enlightened” is, but I imagine it being a completely different culture than what these women are used to. Also, like Sam stated, many of the women are fine with the customs their religion has put on them in terms of what they can and cannot wear, or what they must cover. Now the French government is trying to force them to dress the way that they see fit?
Many people in the Western world may not understand what customs and traditions that Muslims practice, or why they must cover certain parts or wear certain clothes. Westerners may not even agree with this practice. However, it does not give them the right to try to force the issue and push THEIR viewpoints onto people like these Muslim women. Clothing is a freedom of expression, so let them be free to wear what they please.
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The Enlightened “West” Knows Best is a blog post from Sam Richards about the issue of unfair judgment of Muslim people. The author, Sam Richards, stated he traveled to one of the most conservative Muslim nations in the world. This is important because he saw women in the “niqab” or “abeyya” or “hijab” all around him bringing this issue to light. Many of the more western oriented women only wore the abeyya, and even when that was worn it was only intermittently not all the time, and many refused to wear it at all together. Some women are progressing as Richards compares them wearing the abeyya to women in the United State wearing high heels. Women in these nations that wear this style believe it is just a matter of course rather then falling victim to a male oriented, oppressive culture.
Many women in the Muslim world do feel oppressed by having to cover up all the time. Richards states that the vast majority of Muslim women are just going for the ride. An even smaller percentage of Muslim women totally embrace their experience as a path that leads to spiritual and psychological growth.
France is now thinking about banning the traditional female Muslim clothing, the barqas. Richards states that a truly enlightened government should allow its people to pursue the path toward self awareness and growth that suits them the best. Personally, I don't see the need for the French government to ban Muslim women from wearing barqas. The French do not really even have a solid argument for banning the barqa. I highly disagree with the statement that the French politician in the CNN video made when he said, "Barqas are not just an article of clothing, but a symbol that is incompatible with the French Republic." It seems that the French Republic just wants to ban the barqas to somehow rid their nation of these Muslim people. This statement can only be true if the French government wants everyone to look the same in style of clothing, religious beliefs, and possibly other personal choices in the future. No government should be allowed to dictate to its people what type of clothing they are allowed to wear. Even if the barqa has turned into some sort of symbol of the Islamic religion, in no way does it threaten or impose on other people when it is worn. The women in the video said that they are only following their religious beliefs and that the French government should respect that. If France does ban the wearing of barqas it is like going against the Islamic faith. These people should have the freedom to pick their own religious beliefs and their own clothing.
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I am really surprised and confused by the video indicating that France is trying to pass a law preventing women from wearing burqas. It seems that on one hand, France is passing the law because they think that women shouldn’t have to cover up in public. However, if they are passing the law with the intention of giving women more freedom in the way that they dress, then forbidding the burqa would be complexly contradictory. Taking away a woman’s right to wear a burqa would be in complete violation of their freedom of expression and dress.
I think that maybe the French government doesn’t completely understand the womens' reasons for wearing the burqa and I can understand this because I don’t fully understand their reasoning as well. However, I don’t think that we need to understand, to respect their rights to wear whatever clothing they want to, for whatever reason they chose. I even found it very interesting that the women interviewed were wearing the burqas out of personal choice, not because they were forced to by the men in their lives. Now, I’m sure there are many women throughout the world who are forced to cover themselves completely against their wishes, however this video showed me that this is not always the case. That in fact, there are many women who make that choice themselves for religious or other reasons to wear a burqa. Therefore a law preventing them to do so would be nearly as bad in my opinion as a law which would force them to wear a burqa, because either way their rights are being taken away.
I also found it interesting that being “enlightened” or “progressive” in the west or in countries in Europe is supposed to be portrayed as being dressed in high heels or wearing makeup. In some ways I therefore can see some of a comparison between women who feel the need to wear high heels and women who feel the social pressure to wear an abeyya. However, the western version seems to be a less extreme way of conforming to the pressures for women to look a certain way by males. However, I think that being a “progressive” woman should have much less to do with how a woman looks and much more to do with how they act and feel. Also the very act of dressing however a woman wants to could show that they are becoming “progressive” regardless of what they chose to wear. Therefore, I find it ridiculous that France is trying to control the way that women dress in their country by forbidding women from wearing a burqa. If they are truly trying to make women more “enlightened” then they should give women the freedom to wear whatever they want.
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